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Spellhunter wayang3/28/2023 can't get the -1 spell slot benefit from both traits). I'm not going to hunt for it now but I'm pretty sure I saw something saying that you can't stack the benefits from the same source for the same thing (i.e. I'm going to ignore the stacking of Wayang+Lineage. Ultimate Magic uses the same wording as the APG. This is, RAI, to account for +0 Metamagic feats, but if you get a player in PFS who wants to force "show me errata or explain why I can't use RAW" this opens the door again. Such spells generally take up a higher-level spell slot than the normal spell.Įmphasis mine. PRD: Advanced Player's Guide wrote: Metamagic feats allow spellcasters to modify and change their spells, granting them new powers and effects. So all those people trying to claim unlimited casting because they managed to finagle it into a 0th level spell slot are not following RAW or RAI. The *only* way to change the actual level of the spell is with Heighten Spell, and that only goes up, not down. Note: the DC is the same whether its in the 1st or 2nd level slots, because it is still a 1st level spell. It is still a 1st level spell, in the same way a silent charm person is a 1st level spell, in a 2nd level spell slot. You are completely misreading the difference between the level of a spell and the slot in which a spell is prepared.Ī magically lineaged merciful shocking grasp is a 1st level spell in a 0-level spell slot. If you lower a spell to 0-level it is a Cantrip and are not expended when cast. They are the same thing.Ĭantrips: Wizards can prepare a number of cantrips, or 0-level spells, each day, as noted on Table: Wizard under “Spells per Day.” These spells are cast like any other spell, but they are not expended when cast and may be used again. Yeah I dont understand why people continue to say this. Lastly, for sorcerors not having level 0 slots, I'd just say it would burn out one of their cantrips for the day as a workaround.if you let it modify a spell negative, which I wouldn't. In 3.5, Arcane Thesis did much the same thing.Īnd note that for many campaigns, you can't reduce the cost of a meta to a negative, which is what this post implies. It's a nice trick for trying to develop a signature spell you can load cheap metas onto. Kindly note that meta'ing cantrips up doesn't mean you get unlimited cantrips either, if you try to reverse the logic, because the higher level spell definitely burns a spell slot when you add metas to it. It doesn't suddenly use unlimited level 0 casting. So it'll drop into the 0 level slot, and then be cast and burned, just like any other first level spell. So dropping this spell into an O level slot does not make it an 0 level spell, any more then meta'ing it up to a 5th level slot makes it a 5th level spell. Metamagicked spells retain their original spell level unless Heightened. So, no, you can't reduce the 'cost' of Heighten, because it doesn't have a cost, per se.it only has an effect. You actually have to cast it out of the slot it's in for it to count as a spell of that level. Heighten has no +SL modifier to be reduced. Also note the trick doesn't work with Heighten.
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